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Professor Pineapple
QUOTE (Bonglorio @ Sep 13 2013, 04:25 PM) *


I can tell what he is trying to say, and there is at least a valid notion behind it, but the absurdly flat, lazy stereotypes used here as the opposing side is somewhat of a detriment to that.
At least the art is decent.
Viashino_wizard
QUOTE (Bonglorio @ Sep 13 2013, 08:25 AM) *

As stupid as this comic is, it makes me giggle that the omega guy is basically Linkara (minus about 50 pounds or so).
Shmeckie
QUOTE (Bonglorio @ Sep 13 2013, 11:25 AM) *


It's like I'm staring into the incarnation of White Guilt itself. It still astounds me people will put out things so ham-fisted, without an ounce of subtlety, and actually be proud of themselves.

Some people just flat-out don't deserve the ability to draw.
Yaoi Huntress Earth
QUOTE (Viashino_wizard @ Sep 13 2013, 11:50 AM) *
As stupid as this comic is, it makes me giggle that the omega guy is basically Linkara (minus about 50 pounds or so).


He definitely bears a resemblance to him. (He's even got the gold and white ranger suit.) I wonder if that was intentional.
Howlitzer
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Zimmerman mode


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Bonglorio
QUOTE (Shmeckie @ Sep 13 2013, 10:56 AM) *
It's like I'm staring into the incarnation of White Guilt itself. It still astounds me people will put out things so ham-fisted, without an ounce of subtlety, and actually be proud of themselves.

Some people just flat-out don't deserve the ability to draw.



And here's what gets me.

A few years ago, wasn't the internet crying foul at comics that pulled these antics?

It may just be the company I kept, but I swear these exact same bloggers were aware of things like strawman arguments and other fallacies of storytelling and making a message, and even though there was goofy-ass anti-Bush stuff floating around, there sure as shit wasn't these Social justice comics floating around like turds in a swimming pool.

I may be wrong, but I don't remember the internet as a whole giving doofy radical feminists and other dingbats raving about patriarchy and privilege the time of day, let alone validating them.

There was stupid-ass shit on the internet in 2007, but there was not the white guy defense squad, privilege checklists or anything remotely like it outside of a few message boards populated by half-insane cat ladies and stoner dipshits. When did this kind of inept strawman-building, persecution complex having dipshittery come into vogue?

Was I just not seeing it back then? Has the internet regressed? What the fuck is going on?
Kyo Kusanagi
QUOTE (Bonglorio @ Sep 13 2013, 06:01 PM) *
And here's what gets me.

A few years ago, wasn't the internet crying foul at comics that pulled these antics?

It may just be the company I kept, but I swear these exact same bloggers were aware of things like strawman arguments and other fallacies of storytelling and making a message, and even though there was goofy-ass anti-Bush stuff floating around, there sure as shit wasn't these Social justice comics floating around like turds in a swimming pool.

I may be wrong, but I don't remember the internet as a whole giving doofy radical feminists and other dingbats raving about patriarchy and privilege the time of day, let alone validating them.

There was stupid-ass shit on the internet in 2007, but there was not the white guy defense squad, privilege checklists or anything remotely like it outside of a few message boards populated by half-insane cat ladies and stoner dipshits. When did this kind of inept strawman-building, persecution complex having dipshittery come into vogue?

Was I just not seeing it back then? Has the internet regressed? What the fuck is going on?

I don't know man.
Also about the black guy comment:
People aren't really bothered by a black guy you dolt.
It's more the fact that social justice has grown to an obnoxious
TheGreekDollmaker
You know, this is just the natural evolution of a certain kind of comic popular back in 2007 too.

Anyways, this whole thing reminded of something

Posting Kevin Bolk comics









This social justice tumblr ass I don'even has really made me tired. I wish webcomics were more fun instead of trying inject gender politics into everything.
Howlitzer
what the fuck am I looking at
Kyo Kusanagi
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/rea...FORCE-GO?page=1
Read the comments of the critical miss comic.
Yaoi Huntress Earth
Second one: It looks like Ryan Sohmer has a new idea for a webcomic.

Third: There is some truth in this, especially in video game humor comics.

The final: To me, it comes off as a rip on the stuff that always seems to draw people into webcomics no matter how bad they are: steampunk, bizarre fetishes (which is probably a slam against Dobson), bad Sonic humor, wolves, furry, references to mediocre popular anime, cutesy anime stuff and sexually grotesque stuff.
Shmeckie
QUOTE (Kyo Kusanagi @ Sep 13 2013, 09:07 PM) *
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/rea...FORCE-GO?page=1
Read the comments of the critical miss comic.


Oh good god what a sparg-fest. I love how the whole damn first page is nothing but dick-sucking and "LOOKOUT GUYS THERE'S GONNA BE A SHITSTORM OOOH HOO HOO HOOOOO!"

What terrible senses of humor these putzes must have, good lord.

Also, look at the guy who got banned, and the post he got banned for. What an awful community of awful people.
KingMan
QUOTE (Shmeckie @ Sep 13 2013, 10:55 PM) *
...

Also, look at the guy who got banned, and the post he got banned for. What an awful community of awful people.


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This is the most shameless piece of flamebait I've ever seen ever. You've basically become a full on troll at this point.


Wow. Talk about the creators being butt-hurt.
Bonglorio
The Escapist does that kind of shit all the time.

All of the features and content coming from The Escapist are not to be criticized by any of the forumites. Everything pushed out by Yahtzee, Critical Miss or any of the other site's attractions are flawless and if you speak ill of them or criticize them at all, you are a troll and you will be summarily punished for your heresy.

It's like what happened at TV Tropes: A bunch of whiny, self-righteous nerdlings turned a website into their own little treehouse where they demand total obedience to their arbitrary little rules and punish all attempts to hold them accountable for their actions because they wear the burger king crown and that means that they're in charge, dammit!


As far as internet forums and places of discussion go, the Escapist is worse than a shortbus full of howler monkeys
Tonfa
There's a good reason Extra Credits left The Escapist...

And yeah, I like how the first page is nothing but people pretty much BEGGING for a flame war to occur.That's really telling of the community and general attitude.
Kyo Kusanagi
QUOTE (Bonglorio @ Sep 14 2013, 10:52 AM) *
The Escapist does that kind of shit all the time.

All of the features and content coming from The Escapist are not to be criticized by any of the forumites. Everything pushed out by Yahtzee, Critical Miss or any of the other site's attractions are flawless and if you speak ill of them or criticize them at all, you are a troll and you will be summarily punished for your heresy.

It's like what happened at TV Tropes: A bunch of whiny, self-righteous nerdlings turned a website into their own little treehouse where they demand total obedience to their arbitrary little rules and punish all attempts to hold them accountable for their actions because they wear the burger king crown and that means that they're in charge, dammit!


As far as internet forums and places of discussion go, the Escapist is worse than a shortbus full of howler monkeys

Didn't Yahtzee get in trouble for making a tranny joke?
Antagonist
QUOTE (Bonglorio @ Sep 14 2013, 08:52 AM) *
The Escapist does that kind of shit all the time.

All of the features and content coming from The Escapist are not to be criticized by any of the forumites. Everything pushed out by Yahtzee, Critical Miss or any of the other site's attractions are flawless and if you speak ill of them or criticize them at all, you are a troll and you will be summarily punished for your heresy.

It's like what happened at TV Tropes: A bunch of whiny, self-righteous nerdlings turned a website into their own little treehouse where they demand total obedience to their arbitrary little rules and punish all attempts to hold them accountable for their actions because they wear the burger king crown and that means that they're in charge, dammit!


As far as internet forums and places of discussion go, the Escapist is worse than a shortbus full of howler monkeys


Is Yahtzee a moderator on the Escapist?
KingMan
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Okay, what the fuck is it with the influx of these adventure stories? Seriously, trailers for your average over-hyped blockbuster movie are more gripping than this.
Master of AFTER
QUOTE (KingMan @ Sep 14 2013, 06:11 PM) *

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Kyo Kusanagi

More strawmans.
KingMan
I.. where do I even start with that one?
Shmeckie
God, this fad's only just started and I'm already sick of it...
Dejablue
So I kinda figure the option to write an adventure story has always been on the table.

Come and be....who you aaaaaaaaaaaarrreeee *angel sounds bright purple lliiiights*

Is the part that makes me go, what?


What is this from? Is there an actual story? Must the child save her village from a horrible fate? Go on a journey to save her brother from a fatal illness?


Or is there no plot whatsoever and the whole thing is just a waste of time? That one page tells me little


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Also uh.....this. Is this new? I need confirmation.
Viashino_wizard
Oh man, please tell me the guys behind Shredded Moose are trying to make another webcomic. Can you imagine the reaction on tumblr? It'd be like throwing a firecracker into a box of angry badgers.
Dejablue
Two god awful things at war. Hmmm...

Edit: But seriously maybe I just fucked up and that's not a new shredded moose?
Yaoi Huntress Earth
I do remember the main character (Brew) of Shredded Moose did get a re-design before the comic closed down. (I looked and it's not around anymore.)
Viashino_wizard
QUOTE (Dejablue @ Sep 21 2013, 06:16 PM) *
Two god awful things at war. Hmmm...

Edit: But seriously maybe I just fucked up and that's not a new shredded moose?

Possibly, but it doesn't look familiar. Plus, Shredded Moose died way before Anita Sarkesian was a thing.
MagicConch
QUOTE (Dejablue @ Sep 22 2013, 10:04 AM) *
So I kinda figure the option to write an adventure story has always been on the table.

Come and be....who you aaaaaaaaaaaarrreeee *angel sounds bright purple lliiiights*

Is the part that makes me go, what?


What is this from? Is there an actual story? Must the child save her village from a horrible fate? Go on a journey to save her brother from a fatal illness?


Or is there no plot whatsoever and the whole thing is just a waste of time? That one page tells me little


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Also uh.....this. Is this new? I need confirmation.

Where'dya get this? Because the guys at Shitty Webcomics... I dunno, got some guy to draw for them their idea for a parody comic, and boy, were they happy campers when they saw the finished product. It's right there, on their Tumblr.
Bonglorio
Remember when ShittyWebcomics wasn't awful?

You know, when they actually made fun of webcomics before devolving into "MRA Wannabe Trolls for Ayn Rand"
KingMan
In their defense, they can still effectively critique bad webcomics when they try and/or feel like it, but they're quite content being a fifth-rate South Park, because, in their minds, actual attempts at critique/humor/political analysis/etc. is for fags.

This next bit may sound like a bit of tin-foil hat conspiracy gibberish and probably should be taken with a grain of salt, but here's something I've noticed:

http://shittywebcomics.tumblr.com/post/410...webcomic-i-ever

According to this, this was the first webcomic the mod hated. Understandable, but further delving into some of the recent posts has him mention something about having girl problems in high school and that he took comfort from watching stand up acts from the Comedy Central show Tough Crowd, specifically Patrice O'Neal, which says it helped him grow a spine. Here's where things get interesting:

Start of Sinfest's Sisterhood Arc: October 3, 2011
Patrice O'Neal's death: November 29, 2011
Formation of Shitty Webcomics tumblr: February 17, 2012

So, in two months, we have Sinfest going into its feminism bull crap and the death of one of the mod's influences. Assuming what the mod said about his past is true, these two moments were probably what convinced him to set up Shitty Webcomics and, within a year's time, set up a crazy crusade to piss off nerds, fags, feminazis, otaku, fags, tumblr, fags, fags and more fags, regardless of whether or not they come across like a mirror version of morons like Tatsuya. It probably also explains why they're content to mock the same comics (including Sinfest, Penny Arcade and Kate Or Die) over and over; it's not that they're bad - and holy shit, are they bad - but because these are the ones that have subjects that piss them off the most. Christ, at least The Other Side goes after fresh meat every episode; these guys just stagnate.

But that's just me. Once again, I'm probably looking too deeply into this.
Yaoi Huntress Earth
That's an interesting theory and I could see it.
Dejablue
I just found that image on 4chan with no source.
Shmeckie
QUOTE (KingMan @ Sep 22 2013, 02:45 AM) *
but further delving into some of the recent posts has him mention something about having girl problems in high school


IT MAKES ALL THE SENSE!
Bonglorio
Welp

Since ShittyWebcomics has been revealed to be the ravings of bitter social outcasts rapidly spiraling down a vortex of their own pent up issues...


Are there any worthwhile webcomic critics left?



MagicConch
Well, the guys right here know where it's at. What's the consensus on The Webcomic Overlook?
Professor Pineapple
It looks all right to me from an initial glance. He seems to be fairly knowledgable about necessary subjects and does not just mindlessly ape what everybody else has said already, which is always a plus. As far as a webcomic review site goes, you could very easily do far worse.
Shmeckie
QUOTE (MagicConch @ Sep 24 2013, 06:53 AM) *
Well, the guys right here know where it's at. What's the consensus on The Webcomic Overlook?


Megatokyo: 5 Stars
xkcd: 3 Stars
Sequential Art: 3 Stars
Original life: 3 Stars
Spinnerette: 4 Stars
Sore Thumbs: 4 Stars

What do you think?

Oh, and...

Axe Cop: 4 Stars

Oh, if only Axe Cop could be as good as Megatokyo! Well, at least it's as good as Spinnerette and Sore Thumbs!
MelonHead
QUOTE (Bonglorio @ Sep 24 2013, 05:36 AM) *
Welp

Since ShittyWebcomics has been revealed to be the ravings of bitter social outcasts rapidly spiraling down a vortex of their own pent up issues...


Are there any worthwhile webcomic critics left?


Only you, Schmeckie, Max-Vader, and MoA.

But since we're at the topic of Webcomic Reviewers


KingMan
QUOTE (MelonHead @ Sep 24 2013, 12:29 PM) *
Only you, Schmeckie, and MoA.

...


And Max-Vader with the Comic Release reviews, starting with Powerpuff Girls Doujinshi.

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Megatokyo: 5 Stars


And that review was in March 2008. Given that Caston had left by June 2002, I find the 5 star rating extremely dubious.
Matthew Garcia91390123
QUOTE (MelonHead @ Sep 24 2013, 12:29 PM) *
Only you, Schmeckie, and MoA.

But since we're at the topic of Webcomic Reviewers

Question, is 8-Bit Theater even good?
Howlitzer
answer: no
KingMan
QUOTE (Matthew Garcia91390123 @ Sep 24 2013, 02:15 PM) *
Question, is 8-Bit Theater even good?


Not really. There are some genuinely funny moments, but, unless you have someone to guide you to them, it is not worth the 1200+ page slog.

8-Bit Theater hasn't aged well at all. I might have found it funny when I first started reading it, but, by the time it ended, the flaws greatly outweighed the good parts. Along with the lazy use of sprites and unnecessary walls of text, the comic just drags, especially in the last 500 or so pages.

You know, this could be a good idea for another Comic Release review, assuming Max and MoA are willing to endure the journey.
Antagonist
So, what do you guys think of Order of the Stick?
MelonHead
QUOTE (Matthew Garcia91390123 @ Sep 24 2013, 04:15 PM) *
Question, is 8-Bit Theater even good?

None of the "Sprite" comics were good.

Except Blazen.
TheGreekDollmaker
I am honestly torn apart by Sprite comics.

One the one hand, its lazy MSPaint garbage that can be done in less then ten minutes.

On the other hand, do I really want to see the drawings of the guy who realizes his art is shit and just goes with sprite comics.

Either way, almost all sprite comics are bad imo.
DeanTheAdequate
QUOTE (Antagonist @ Sep 24 2013, 06:14 PM) *
So, what do you guys think of Order of the Stick?

OotS was pretty niche and a good showcase of what players of D&D go through a lot when it comes to rules and the bizarreness therein. It has good gags in that respect, but it's utterly lost on a larger audience. The two dimensional characters could indeed illustrate point after point of funny moments in tabletop gaming, but instead it began to reach further and further until it's kind of become a mockery of itself.

The characters have changed from time to time. Not in a kind of natural growth where one changes as a person. More like in the second "Dragon Warrior" game where BOOM, training now you're a more badass character class. There are some good personalities and quips in the comic, even today. But as an overall slog it's just that. I must have stopped reading around three or four years ago. I just couldn't give a crap anymore because it didn't go full Cerebus, but it certainly shrugged off it's stronger points to stirch together some sort of overly melodramatic crap which last far too long for a long running MWF.

Now I don't know who's really going to sound off on it. Let's face it, the premise kind of needs you to be a tabletop RPG player, specifically from the 3.0-3.5 era. Not as much now, but still it's pretty much accepted that this is geared towards us dice chucking dorks.

Also: The board game he put out based on the strip blew. If you make a board game that wants to be a card game just make a card game. Not "Munchkin" with yet another re-skin and a progression map. If I wanted a good board game with too many damn cards to keep track of, I'll play Talisman thankyouverymuch.
CuChulainn1290
QUOTE (DeanTheAdequate @ Sep 24 2013, 11:18 PM) *
OotS was pretty niche and a good showcase of what players of D&D go through a lot when it comes to rules and the bizarreness therein. It has good gags in that respect, but it's utterly lost on a larger audience. The two dimensional characters could indeed illustrate point after point of funny moments in tabletop gaming, but instead it began to reach further and further until it's kind of become a mockery of itself.

The characters have changed from time to time. Not in a kind of natural growth where one changes as a person. More like in the second "Dragon Warrior" game where BOOM, training now you're a more badass character class. There are some good personalities and quips in the comic, even today. But as an overall slog it's just that. I must have stopped reading around three or four years ago. I just couldn't give a crap anymore because it didn't go full Cerebus, but it certainly shrugged off it's stronger points to stirch together some sort of overly melodramatic crap which last far too long for a long running MWF.

Now I don't know who's really going to sound off on it. Let's face it, the premise kind of needs you to be a tabletop RPG player, specifically from the 3.0-3.5 era. Not as much now, but still it's pretty much accepted that this is geared towards us dice chucking dorks.

Also: The board game he put out based on the strip blew. If you make a board game that wants to be a card game just make a card game. Not "Munchkin" with yet another re-skin and a progression map. If I wanted a good board game with too many damn cards to keep track of, I'll play Talisman thankyouverymuch.


Which is why I loved Keychain of Creation so much before its untimely death.

It did a lot of the things that OotS did back when it started, except it was more for people who liked to play Exalted. By the end of the second "chapter," though, the comic eventually went on to being just a webcomic with Exalted elements instead of a OotS expy, and the natural growth that Dean mentioned earlier does happen with the main characters, especially the resident renegade Abyssal. It probably would've gone farther if the guy behind it suddenly hadn't gotten ill, but hey, we can't have everything in life.
Nihilistic One
QUOTE (Matthew Garcia91390123 @ Sep 24 2013, 11:15 PM) *
Question, is 8-Bit Theater even good?


Eh. I kind of enjoyed it, but it really lost its touch near the end.
TitusAndronicusWithLions
QUOTE (KingMan @ Sep 25 2013, 07:50 AM) *
You know, this could be a good idea for another Comic Release review, assuming Max and MoA are willing to endure the journey.

I thought Comic Release was only for manga-aping webcomics? Then again, 8-Bit Theatre does take its sprites from the very much Japanese Final Fantasy I, so maybe that could be a loophole or something.

As for whether 8BT was any good or not, at first I thought you couldn't really to criticise it, since due to Clevinger's whole "the best joke is the one played on the reader" policy, it can be assumed that any flaws in the webcomic (such as the frequent anticlimaxes, the atrocious pacing and heavy filler as it goes on) are simply part of the point-

Then I thought fuck that, if anything that just makes it easier to criticise 8BT, as any author who goes out of his way to intentionally inconvenience readers obviously has his head firmly lodged up his own arse. Not to mention that if above flaws were unintended you could at least forgive the author (somewhat) of committing mistakes as all us humans do, it being intentional meant he knew it was bad writing yet want through with it anyway.

...Wow, got surprisingly riled up over some old webcomic I read in my adolescent years, which to my horror is probably the exact sort of outburst Brian Clevinger would've been wanted.

I'm gonna write a concept album about this.
Max-Vader
QUOTE (TitusAndronicusWithLions @ Sep 25 2013, 12:06 PM) *
I thought Comic Release was only for manga-aping webcomics? Then again, 8-Bit Theatre does take its sprites from the very much Japanese Final Fantasy I, so maybe that could be a loophole or something.

Yes, because the 8-bit sprites happen to be made by japanese people, it counts as a webcomic that copies manga.
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