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post Dec 2 2015, 05:39 AM
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post Dec 2 2015, 06:15 AM
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Somewhere, in a japanese meeting room:

"Okay guys, the last anime was a lazy adaption that basically fast-forwarded through the entire story just so it could arbitarily force everything into a two episode investgation/trial format. And let's not even get into all the horribly animated bits that looked like they were straight out of the video game, except much worse. There's no reason not to just play the game instead, except maybe to see Junkos tits which happened to be the only thing that was well-drawn. Anyone have some ideas for a new anime?"

"Hey, we teased an adaption of the second game at the end of that anime, maybe we should-"

"Nah, they'll be expecting us to do something that makes sense and that people might concievably want. We have to think outside the box here."

"...what if we made an anime that focuses on three of the most unlikable and uninteresting characters from the first game? We could have it be completely original and unrelated to any of the games. And to top it off, it will be about the eventual fate of the aforementioned characters nobody likes or cares about, which means anyone who hasn't played the second game (of which there is no anime adaption) in addition to the first will have no fucking idea what's going on? Oh, and we shouldn't even show Togami in the trailer. In fact, why put him in the series anyway, fuck that guy."

"BRILLIANT!"

By the way, they're making a new game, too. This one is exclusively for PS4 and Vita.

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While the character of Monokuma returns, the game does not feature the Hope's Peak Academy setting of previous titles; instead, the game takes place in the "Gifted Inmates Academy".

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post Dec 2 2015, 10:26 AM
I don't really know much about Dangan Ronpa, but did they really just tease an adaptation of the second game before turning it into a "wah wah" moment?
Because that would be pretty much the douchiest thing imaginable.
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post Dec 2 2015, 10:18 PM
Truth to be told, I really don't think the second game was ever actually going to get an anime in the first place, guys. The first adaptation always had this underlying cynicism to it that makes me think the original game's profit margins were just wide enough that Spike decided it couldn't hurt to invest in a low-cost advertising venture to see if they couldn't rake in a little more revenue, and that's how they snagged the lowest rent guy imaginable, Seiji Kishi, to direct. The anime was essentially nothing more than a wholly transparent pander-fest to the game's established fanbase and a dirt cheap method to advertise its own brand name. It was a 13-episode commercial for itself. (Which are yet more reasons thrown onto a growing mountain pile leading me to believe it's one of the worst adaptations in the history of visual entertainment.) That Easter egg they threw in at the eleventh hour with Monomi was just that: an Easter egg. Just more fanservice. It was never meant to lead anywhere.

Add to that its lackluster sales, and even the original writer's own admission that the second game's story wouldn't fare very well as a TV show, and, well... I'm not trying to be insulting, but I think anyone who came away from that 13th episode genuinely believing there would be a second season was just a bit shortsighted.

Watch, I bet they're suddenly gonna announce it out of the blue, and I'll have to put my foot in my mouth.

Besides, it's a good thing that it isn't likely to happen. Japan's undying loyalty to tradition would see to it that Seiji Kishi is brought back on to the helm, and he'd fuck it up like he always does. Ever since his initial involvement, any DR-related anime project has had this asshole's greasy fingerprints all over it. Look at Ultra Despair Girls; it's anime cutscenes were also attributed him, as if obligated.

Now, I won't lie, those cutscenes were well done, but that's precisely why I think he had near to no involvement in their actual production and was only credited out of formality. I highly suspect the actual game director was the one dictating how things should be done, and Kishi was just a yes-man. That's why I'm holding out hope (teehee) for this new anime, despite the fact that it's ALSO slated to be directed by him goddammit for chrissakes. The games' lead writer has stated that he's going to be carefully supervising the project, and that it will be closer to Ultra Despair Girls' production values than the first anime adaptation's.

And honestly, after the way the second game went down, I'm finding it difficult to imagine how yet another group of 16 students somehow connected to the original storyline about Hope's Peak would coincidentally be caught up in another killing game without having a clue about everything going on (something already vividly revealed to us in UDG, so that part of the mystery would automatically be out). It would have to borrow too heavily on the formula from previous games, something the second game already did intentionally. Plus, the existence of UDG being something of a mid-quel is threatening to make this ongoing story a little too convoluted for its own good. Concluding it with a bang in this new anime and starting fresh with the upcoming game seems best, if a little sudden.

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post Dec 3 2015, 12:08 AM
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Add to that its lackluster sales, and even the original writer's own admission that the second game's story wouldn't fare very well as a TV show, and, well... I'm not trying to be insulting, but I think anyone who came away from that 13th episode genuinely believing there would be a second season was just a bit shortsighted.

Excuse me for not knowing information that I would have had to actively seek out to know and that in the case of the sales I could have only known (though it wasn't overly difficult to predict) after the fact. But speaking of DR-related naivite...

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Plus, the existence of UDG being something of a mid-quel is threatening to make this ongoing story a little too convoluted for its own good. Concluding it with a bang in this new anime and starting fresh with the upcoming game seems best, if a little sudden.

I don't think the new game will be a fresh start in any way, and that's for one simple reason: It has this fucking guy in it.

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post Dec 3 2015, 02:28 AM
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"...what if we made an anime that focuses on three of the most unlikable and uninteresting characters from the first game? We could have it be completely original and unrelated to any of the games. And to top it off, it will be about the eventual fate of the aforementioned characters nobody likes or cares about, which means anyone who hasn't played the second game (of which there is no anime adaption) in addition to the first will have no fucking idea what's going on? Oh, and we shouldn't even show Togami in the trailer. In fact, why put him in the series anyway, fuck that guy."


They needed even more ads for those figures. But I haven't given up all hope on the anime yet.

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Add to that its lackluster sales, and even the original writer's own admission that the second game's story wouldn't fare very well as a TV show, and, well... I'm not trying to be insulting, but I think anyone


Plus, the second season would require way more episodes than the first. If they somehow managed to barely fit the first game in 13 episodes, I can't even begin to imagine how they could do that for the second game.
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post Dec 3 2015, 09:33 AM
Hey now, I wasn't saying you're naive.



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I don't think the new game will be a fresh start in any way, and that's for one simple reason: It has this fucking guy in it.

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As long as Monobear is in this game, it has to carry the narrative baggage of the previous games by necessity unless they bullshit it and completely disconnect the sequel from the previous entries, in which case I'd have to ask, why not make it a new series alltogether, then.

That's not quite how I meant it. Of course the new entry will share similar background mythology to its predecessors. But the stories we've seen thus far have all revolved specifically around Hope's Peak and its follies. I'm sure you've noticed: both of the following games (and even all the other spinoffs, if you think about it) have all managed to always pull their plots back down toward the confines of that initial clash between the first game's survivors, representing hope, and Junko, representing despair. Hinata and his classmates', and Komaru's personal journeys both simultaneously fed into and were symbolized by that ongoing basic struggle in a way, because their plotlines explored the finer intricacies of the more simplistic and broader conflict from the first game.

If what Kodaka says is true and no other recurring characters are planned to appear in this next installment, that means they're probably going to be starting up a whole new arc that doesn't involve the previous games' plots directly.

To use an example, I guess it's a little like comic books. Batman will always have more or less the same origin point, obviously, but him tracking down the Joker for shooting Batgirl and kidnapping Gordon has no immediate bearing on his first encounter with Bane. Or maybe a better example would be the Mass Effect series. This first trilogy all dealt with the threat of the Reapers, but now they're making new games with stories that (supposedly) have nothing to do with them or Shepard, because that one particular plot thread has already been resolved.



On a tangentially related note, what does everyone think will happen if they're lying and certain other characters do come back? Do you think Junko will show up to giggle from behind the scenes again? Kodaka has been heard to say that he could never top her, and I'm inclined to agree. But as much as I love her and am probably one of the few people who will say that I've never felt her to be overused up to this point, even I have to admit I'd be a little let down if she turns out to be the mastermind again.

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post Dec 3 2015, 12:08 PM
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That's not quite how I meant it. Of course the new entry will share similar background mythology to its predecessors. But the stories we've seen thus far have all revolved specifically around Hope's Peak and its follies.

Here is the thing, though. Based on what we know about this game for now, that is simply impossible. By definition, Monobear IS Junko. So therefore, we arrive at the problem you outlined here:

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On a tangentially related note, what does everyone think will happen if they're lying and certain other characters do come back? Do you think Junko will show up to giggle from behind the scenes again? Kodaka has been heard to say that he could never top her, and I'm inclined to agree. But as much as I love her and am probably one of the few people who will say that I've never felt her to be overused up to this point, even I have to admit I'd be a little let down if she turns out to be the mastermind again.

I fully agree that it would be kind of uncreative to make it so that Palpatine Junko's behind it all again. Given the above however, I do not see how this can be avoided without ditching Monobear as the "Headmaster"/main antagonist alltogether. Of course, it would be quite possible for someone to play Monobear's role without being Junko, but then it wouldn't really be Monobear anymore, so why even bother. Having him act completely differently than in the previous games would destroy the character, and having him act the same would mean the antagonist wouldn't be Junko, it would be a diet coke Junko-knockoff. Of course, they actually set that up already, but is anyone seriously clamoring for this bitch as the new main villain?

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post Dec 3 2015, 07:15 PM
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Here is the thing, though. Based on what we know about this game for now, that is simply impossible. By definition, Monobear IS Junko.

But then the question becomes: who is Junko? Remember, Junko changes her personality on a whim. Outside of her despair obsession, you can't definitively pin down one set of personality traits unique to her because, in a sense, she embodies all of them. Junko herself isn't much of a "character," if you think about it. Much like her antithesis, Boring Everyman Hope Paragon Naegi-koon, she's more like a concept personified. That's why the both of them are so damn two-dimensional. If you've ever wondered why Junko always seems to possess nigh-godlike levels of omniscience and continues to be worshiped like some living deity, there you have it. Hell, she's even freely admitted that she's pretty much the human incarnation of despair itself. "Junko Enoshima" is just a name and face to represent what is essentially DR's version of pure evil.

Now, on the surface, her rapidly switching identities makes for an endlessly entertaining and charismatic psycho. But metaphorically, DR is basically saying this: despair can take any face, because everyone (excepting Naegi), whoever they may be, is capable of it. It's no coincidence that the mastermind behind Monokuma also happens to be a modern, trendy teen who mainly speaks in everyday colloquialisms and can style herself as every personality archetype imaginable. Unlike a lot of other villains in fiction who go in and smash shit up to flaunt their strength and let the heroes know when they mean business, the true danger of Junko is her ability to sway virtually everyone to her way of thinking. Knowing this, if you turn it around and think about it the other way...

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Given the above however, I do not see how this can be avoided without ditching Monobear as the "Headmaster"/main antagonist alltogether. Of course, it would be quite possible for someone to play Monobear's role without being Junko, but then it wouldn't really be Monobear anymore, so why even bother. Having him act completely differently than in the previous games would destroy the character, and having him act the same would mean the antagonist wouldn't be Junko, it would be a diet coke Junko-knockoff.

...anybody is capable of both feeling and causing despair, which would mean anybody is theoretically capable of carrying on her legacy. In fact, that was partly the point of the SHSL Despair organization's and the Warriors of Hope's existences. Granted, I strongly doubt that anyone could actually live up to the standard she set, but knowing that Izuru Kamukura and Monaka exist makes it easier to swallow that there are others definitely qualified to take up the mantle.

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Of course, they actually set that up already, but is anyone seriously clamoring for this bitch as the new main villain?

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In the immortal words of The Misadventures of Skooks: No thanks.

I know you're being rhetorical, but there are actually a whole lot. I think like half the fandom that I've unfortunately run across even prefer Monaka over Junko (by the way, if anyone reading this is part of that fandom's sect, STOP IT. Y'all keep playing this comparison game and it was old from day one). Anyway...

No, the apprentice didn't exactly surpass the master in this case, that's true. But Monaka was a very capable villain in and of herself. People are always talking about how similar she is to Junko, but they never seem to ever touch upon how very different she is, too. She did a really good job, all things considered.

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post Dec 4 2015, 07:45 AM
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But metaphorically, DR is basically saying this: despair can take any face, because everyone (excepting Naegi), whoever they may be, is capable of it.
...anybody is capable of both feeling and causing despair, which would mean anybody is theoretically capable of carrying on her legacy. In fact, that was partly the point of the SHSL Despair organization's and the Warriors of Hope's existences. Granted, I strongly doubt that anyone could actually live up to the standard she set, but knowing that Izuru Kamukura and Monaka exist makes it easier to swallow that there are others definitely qualified to take up the mantle.

Since Junko is essentially it's incarnation and was the one inducing despair (or at least amplifying it) in basically every evil character we've come across yet, it means that in the end, it's all leading back to her anyway. I mean sure, you can very well argue that there could be a capable replacement, but the clowns we have seen so far have not exactly given me that impression. You could also argue that I'm just saying that because the other characters don't give me a boner, but that can't be it either. After all, our late friend Words That Kill has proven that I am some sort of evil mastermind super pedophile, so therefore I would have to think Monaka is the best thing since sliced bread.

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I know you're being rhetorical, but there are actually a whole lot. I think like half the fandom that I've unfortunately run across even prefer Monaka over Junko

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post Dec 4 2015, 06:47 PM
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After all, our late friend Words That Kill has proven that I am some sort of evil mastermind super pedophile, so therefore I would have to think Monaka is the best thing since sliced bread.


Ah yes, I remember that guy. He had a major spergfest when we dared to criticize his rape-worm anime.


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This fucking fandom. At this rate, I'd probably become her replacement because these morons make me despair for the human race.


Pardon me for my ignorance, but how is the fandom that bad? Though on the other hand, it would be very cool to see you as the next SHSL Despair.


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post Dec 4 2015, 07:35 PM
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Since Junko is essentially it's incarnation and was the one inducing despair (or at least amplifying it) in basically every evil character we've come across yet, it means that in the end, it's all leading back to her anyway. I mean sure, you can very well argue that there could be a capable replacement, but the clowns we have seen so far have not exactly given me that impression. You could also argue that I'm just saying that because the other characters don't give me a boner, but that can't be it either. After all, our late friend Words That Kill has proven that I am some sort of evil mastermind super pedophile, so therefore I would have to think Monaka is the best thing since sliced bread.

I'd actually say she's more like a super concentrated reflection of mankind's despair. Kind of like a Persona. A stacked Persona who gives you and me me and you only you boners.

Also, I'm a little surprised you despise Monaka as much as you do. Even putting aside the fact that she's a kid character, I don't think anyone really likes her as a character. Even Kodaka said that he intentionally designed her to be as hateable as possible. But as an antagonist, she did her job very well.

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Pardon me for my ignorance, but how is the fandom that bad? Though on the other hand, it would be very cool to see you as the next SHSL Despair.

Much like most (all?) fandoms, the DR fanbase is full of idiots, retards, teenagers, yaoi-shippers, self-important hipsters, RPers, etc. You can find the majority of them on Tumblr.

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post Dec 4 2015, 07:57 PM
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I'd actually say she's more like a super concentrated reflection of mankind's despair. Kind of like a Persona. A stacked Persona who gives you and me me and you only you boners.


I'm sure that he's not the only who gets boners from her. In fact, i believe i can name a couple of other people, that get boners from her...

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Also, I'm a little surprised you despise Monaka as much as you do. Even putting aside the fact that she's a kid character, I don't think anyone really likes her as a character. Even Kodaka said that he intentionally designed her to be as hateable as possible. But as an antagonist, she did her job very well.


Pardon me for sounding ignorant, but how is she hateable, seeing as how I've only heard of her today?

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Much like most (all?) fandoms, the DR fanbase is full of idiots, retards, teenagers, yaoi-shippers, self-important hipsters, RPers, etc. You can find the majority of them on Tumblr.


Leave it to Tumblr to fuck up another fanbase. Though I do wonder, what exactly do those idiots do, to fuck up the fanbase? If they started to advertise shitty merchandise, heads will be rolling.


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post Dec 4 2015, 09:53 PM
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Pardon me for sounding ignorant, but how is she hateable, seeing as how I've only heard of her today?

Better if you just see for yourself.

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Though I do wonder, what exactly do those idiots do, to fuck up the fanbase?

Same things other terrible, obnoxious fandoms do.


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post Dec 5 2015, 01:42 AM
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Leave it to Tumblr to fuck up another fanbase.


I'm all for blaming Tumblr for everything wrong on the internet, but let's no give them too much credit. Fandoms were very shitty way before they existed. If anything, Tumblr just gave the most obnoxious members of a fandom another place to prove their insanity.

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post Jan 19 2016, 12:42 AM
Aside from the third game to which I have literally mixed feelings about, Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc is coming to Steam on February.

Also, it seems that the sequel will soon follow after as well.

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