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post May 5 2015, 06:13 PM
I heard of this series called Sora no Otoshimono recently. One look at it and I think I could tell what the general opinion would be, so I won't exactly bring that up.

However, I did look into what the plot was. Some kinda super advanced society creates robots to fulfill their every wish, and for whatever reason, they decide to go possess human beings to live as them instead of living their own lives.

That... I thought was interesting enough, at least to think about. And I guess I wanted to hear other opinions.

What series are remarkable in that the concept is actually something that either 'would work' or 'does work', but the problem is, the creators decided to put too much fanservice or make it excessively symbolic or whatever Madocant represents, and therefore it's something that nobody should watch at home with their family/loved ones?

[I wouldn't really consider Haruhi such a thing myself from what little I know, mostly because the plot is less 'aliens and monsters investigate a possible god' and more 'the adventures of guy and his wacky aliens and monsters friends', when it really comes down to it. But I'm biased enough so maybe I'm wrong.]
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post May 5 2015, 07:24 PM
Eden of the East.

Premise: An eccentric billionaire gives 10 random people millions of dollars and access to an impossibly advanced AI system with the mission to make the world a better place. If they squander their money, or otherwise fail, they lose their life.

Reality: For some reason the protagonist kidnapped a bunch of naked shut-ins and let them out in a mall, and at the end he decides to have the AI crown him the King of Japan.


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post May 5 2015, 09:25 PM


Darker than BLACK truly exemplifies wasted potential. What didn't the show have going for it? Great premise, cool power mechanics, empathetic main character, competent director (I mean, he did Wolf's Rain, but he knows how to advance a show visually), effective, exciting action scenes that never became gratuitous, soundtrack composed by Yoko Kanno... Basically, it had the promise of possibly being one of the greatest anime of all time. X-Men meets the style of neo-noir, if you will.

But then the fifteenth episode rolled around, and the quality sank like a rock. Almost like the staff simply threw in the towel trying to think through the rest of the story past that creative spark, DtB devolved into an incoherent mess of uncoordinated anime-isms. Humans VS. "The Other," ever-changing rules to the world's lore, something about choice and sacrifice... Man, whatever.

Dissatisfied with merely disappointing fans, the black-hearted Satanic cult we've come to know as Studio BONES decided to antagonize us further with the second season just when we'd finally let our guard down two years later. Like some grim omen promising imminent danger posed by the rest of the series, the first episode gleefully tears open the curtain with a fanservice shot of a nude 13-year-old girl. Still reeling from this indignity, viewers are rendered defenseless against the onslaught of the show's remaining unspeakable eleven episodes, and are ultimately overwhelmed by the malevolent entity.

Let it be known. This is the tragedy of Darker than BLACK. May we never forget.

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post May 5 2015, 10:37 PM
Tsukihime

Potential: Guy gets pulled into supernatural events after an accident left him injured and confused, prompting him to wonder what's real and what is in his head

Result: Scumbag hero attempts rape several times, rape victim apologizes. Several hours of agonizingly dull, wooden WORDSWORDSWORDS

Grave of The Fireflies

Potential: A faithful adaptation of an autobiographical novel set in the blasted ruins of Imperial Japan

Result: Studio Ghibli director takes massive, roaring shit on source material. Supports Fascism


The Girl Who Leapt Through Time

Potential: Surreal time travel narritive

Result: IT'S FUCKING NOTHING




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post May 5 2015, 11:24 PM
Keyman: The Hand of Judgement

Potential: Crazy-ass mystery with tons of amazingly designed characters.

Reality: A loli keeps shoving herself into the focus.


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post May 5 2015, 11:34 PM
Sword Art Online

Premise: Kickass action anime with an MMO theme with good character designs and cool action scenes and lore.

Results: Journey of a Gary Stu that makes every girl wanting to suck his dick, shitty Diabolus and Deus Ex Machina, and lack of suspense and villain motivation AND THE FUCKIN FISHING EPISODE GODDAMNIT


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post May 6 2015, 12:18 AM
Burst Angel

Saw this one awhile back, basically promised to be a gender flipped cross of Cowboy Bebop's cast meets the plot of Armored Trooper VOTOMs minus most of the mecha.

The fail comes from the following: The one male protagonist is so fucking pointless they could have excised his ass entirely and the show would have lost absolutely nothing (partially the point, but nothing about his ass had any lasting impact on the plot at all), the show had so much goddamned filler and fanservice shit obscuring the plot at times they might have been better off just rolling with that instead of trying to outright deal with the antagonists, the one mecha of the show was cool but became a bizarro Deus Ex Machina that was removed when it might have made things a lot less stupid (almost always when having to do things without it would have been more dramatic yet much harder), and one of the female characters was useless as hell (competent a grand total of once as a joke) to the point I really wanted the show to kill her off instead of pairing her in one side lesbian crush on the main female protag (which magically turned into an actual relationship in the final episodes when the creators decided to quit fucking around, before then it was so one sided it bordered on parody).

The ending is even a lame ripoff of Cowboy Bebop, only the main female protag dies for retarded reasons (they could have easily rewrote things so she didn't HAVE to die, but they left her presumably dead for cheap drama), and remember that useless female character with the lesbian crush?

She's implied to have magically become uber competent in the ending, only we get zero evidence that's true, and none of the main cast have any lasting dramatic impact on each other in the end (unlike in Cowboy Bebop, where the cast interactions led to clear character development for all involved to some greater or lesser degree)

I still want my wasted time back from having watched this shit. Never watched the movie tie-in to the show, but from the summary it apparently remedies absolutely nothing about any of this, so I never bothered to look into it.


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post May 6 2015, 02:25 AM
QUOTE (Beatdoof @ May 6 2015, 12:34 AM) *
Sword Art Online

Premise: Kickass action anime with an MMO theme with good character designs and cool action scenes and lore.

Results: Journey of a Gary Stu that makes every girl wanting to suck his dick, shitty Diabolus and Deus Ex Machina, and lack of suspense and villain motivation AND THE FUCKIN FISHING EPISODE GODDAMNIT

This is similar to how I feel about the .hack franchise. That was a mind-blowingly cool concept: A sprawling multimedia epic that combined elements of Dungeons & Dragons and The Matrix with an oldschool serial mystery comic done in a modern anime aesthetic. In reality? The whole thing was a pretentious, convoluted mess that produced numerous animated shows, comics, games, and novels that were mediocre at best and almost surreally bad at worst. It's like CyberConnect2 was simultaneously taking a shit on every known form of entertainment all at once.

Another example of wasted potential that comes to mind is Inuyasha. I thought the manga got off to a terrific start and was at least decently entertaining for a stretch, but somewhere shortly after the 200th chapter Takahashi ran out of ideas and everything went to hell. The series turned into a lifeless, repetitive slog that Takahashi refused to end even as she herself observably lost interest in the story and characters she was writing. I don't know if you'd exactly qualify that as wasted potential, but I feel the series started out strong enough that it could have been something quite special if it had ended a few years earlier.

I'd also say the majority of anime series I've seen based on fighting games have wasted their potential to a degree. Because of the nature of the genre, successful fighters have to feature a large cast of interesting, diverse characters in a setting that easily lends itself to a lot of action-oriented conflict. If you're making an anime adaptation of such a game, you've already got most of the ingredients you need to create a solid piece of entertainment. Despite that, all but two of the anime movies/series based on fighters I've seen have been garbage.


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post May 6 2015, 02:37 AM
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This is similar to how I feel about the .hack franchise. That was a mind-blowingly cool concept: A sprawling multimedia epic that combined elements of Dungeons & Dragons and The Matrix with an oldschool serial mystery comic done in a modern anime aesthetic. In reality? The whole thing was a pretentious, convoluted mess that produced numerous animated shows, comics, games, and novels that were mediocre at best and almost surreally bad at worst. It's like CyberConnect2 was simultaneously taking a shit on every known form of entertainment all at once.

Another example of wasted potential that comes to mind is Inuyasha. I thought the manga got off to a terrific start and was at least decently entertaining for a stretch, but somewhere shortly after the 200th chapter Takahashi ran out of ideas and everything went to hell. The series turned into a lifeless, repetitive slog that Takahashi refused to end even as she herself observably lost interest in the story and characters she was writing. I don't know if you'd exactly qualify that as wasted potential, but I feel the series started out strong enough that it could have been something quite special if it had ended a few years earlier.

I'd also say the majority of anime series I've seen based on fighting games have wasted their potential to a degree. Because of the nature of the genre, successful fighters have to feature a large cast of interesting, diverse characters in a setting that easily lends itself to a lot of action-oriented conflict. If you're making an anime adaptation of such a game, you've already got most of the ingredients you need to create a solid piece of entertainment. Despite that, all but two of the anime movies/series based on fighters I've seen have been garbage.


Yeah, Inuyasha was fucking boring after awhile, and it was basically because Takahashi just couldn't decide when to find let the damn thing END, which led to everything after chapter 200 being copypasta of the same rehashed cliches. Woman has decent ideas, but she's not known for her brevity at all.

As for fighting game anime, most of them tend to suck because the writers seem torn between trying to do their own thing and otherwise pandering to the built in base, want to have it both ways, and thus piss everyone off. The only ones that succeed seem to be the ones who are writing for the hardcore game fans or do their own thing without shitting on the core demographic of the source material.

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post May 6 2015, 05:06 AM
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post May 6 2015, 05:22 AM
Naruto (Shippuuden)

Potential: Could have been a fun action series with some smart fights based around trickery like in JoJo.

Reality: The series quickly devolves into "fights are mostly won based on who has more power and involve throwing around bigger energy blasts than the other guy", and that is dependent on you either having a Tailed Beast in you or being a member of some legendary clan (read: Uchiha). The characters are cliches at best, the plot is shitty and unfocused, the worldbuilding is nonsensical had has many eye-rolling attempts at DEEPEST LORE, The main character is initially supposed to outwit his opponents who are born superior and beat them with smarts and determination but then becomes Ninja Jesus and turns out to have the most superior genetics of all of them as well as being a reincarnation of a demi-God. The villains become a parade of shitty villain Mary Sues to match the utter bullshit of the main character. Tons of idiotic Deus ex Machina. Shit ending.

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post May 6 2015, 06:45 AM
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Naruto (Shippuuden)

Potential: Could have been a fun action series with some smart fights based around trickery like in JoJo.

Reality: The series quickly devolves into "fights are mostly won based on who has more power and involve throwing around bigger energy blasts than the other guy", and that is dependent on you either having a Tailed Beast in you or being a member of some legendary clan (read: Uchiha). The characters are cliches at best, the plot is shitty and unfocused, the worldbuilding is nonsensical had has many eye-rolling attempts at DEEPEST LORE, The main character is initially supposed to outwit his opponents who are born superior and beat them with smarts and determination but then becomes Ninja Jesus and turns out to have the most superior genetics of all of them as well as being a reincarnation of a demi-God. The villains become a parade of shitty villain Mary Sues to match the utter bullshit of the main character. Tons of idiotic Deus ex Machina. Shit ending.


Don't forget what I would also consider just following all shonen cliches someone could muster,w ithout trying to emulate them in a way fitting for the series. Like creating a supposed anti-hero character in Sasuke, only to end up making him do so many villainous things that he falls into a territory where no one with a healthy dose of common sense could forgive him for anything he does.


Golden Sun: The Dark Dawn
Premise/Potential: A sequel to a foundly remembered GBA two parter, set in a world where people master magic in form of alchemy, allowing them to manipulate the elements, read minds and so on. Set at least 20 years after the events of the original series, the return of one of the original enemies and a series of mysterious events that stand in relation to the return of magic, could have lead to a nice little game about the offsprings of the original heroes ending, what their parents started.

Reality: Downer Start (turns out that releasing alchemy back into the world 20 year ago -which was supposed to save it- resulted in geographical changes that probably killed millions), overamount of characters (original could work with 8 main characters, this one not so much), the narrative barely touches on the initial problem of black holes suddenly shwoing up all over reality, just so that what in any other RPG would be a sidemission, hijacks the plot and leads to a really lame main conflict. The villains are one dimensional shit, barely any world building is done, the final act of the game is rushed like hell, revisiting half of the world is after a certain moment in the game impossible, difficulty is surprisingly low and the return of original GBA villain Alex is pretty much irrelevant to the entire plot.
Also a problem of the original game (overly long cutscenes, that barely move the plot along) was still not fixed.



Other wasted potential
Green Lantern, the movie (2011)

Premise: A live action adaptation of US-testpilote Hal Jordan being chosen by a dying alien to become member of the Green Lantern Corps, a galactic police organization, in order to protect not just the world, but the universe in brightest day and blackest night from alien and human evil. Based on the succesful comic book series by DC comics that became over the last 6 years it's third best selling series after Batman and Superman, this movie adaptation could have been used as starting point for building up the DC movie universe by getting one of the most ridiculous hero ideas out of the way first.

Where it went wrong:
Despite a 200 million dollar budget, the movie just looks cheap.The probes of the movie make it look like an 80s cartoon more than some semi stylish live action comic movie universe you could take at least partly serious (see the Marvel movie universe), the computer animation looks at certain parts like in a PS2 cutscene, for some reason people thought Hal Jordan's costume had to be computer animated to and the main protagonist is played by Ryan Reynolds. And while Reynolds may be an okay actor, he just doesn't really manage to play Hal Jordan the "right" way, making him more come off like a combination of Jordan and another GL character from the comics. The movie also wastes too mcuh time on Jordan just wandering on earth itself, instead of showing us any interaction between him and the "fantastic" world of a Lantern. The movie has pretty much only one action scene near the end, Jordan barely uses his superpowers and one of the most powerful villains in the GL lore is wasted at the end of the movie immediately. Just to add insult to injury, depsite its budget, the movie relied on just copypasting scenes from earlier in the movie at the last shot, because they could not afford to make something new/think of something else.
Personally I consider Batman and Robin a better DC movie than this piece of garbage.


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post May 6 2015, 07:37 AM
The film version of Howl's Moving Castle:

Premise: A film version of the 1986 book by Diana Wynne Jones about a young woman turned old maid who goes on a wacky adventure with a wizard.

Reality: A mediocre, at best, movie that drags in the second half and has a war subplot that does little to advance the plot and to have Miyazaki vent about American "imperialism" or some rot like that.


Spirited Away

Premise: A girl gets trapped in a spirit world and her parents get tuned into pigs. It's up to her to save them while she does chores for the head honcho of a hotel for spirits.

Reality: Same as Howl, only with the war commentary replaced with shoehorned environmental commentary.


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post May 6 2015, 08:01 AM
Okay I'm probaly gonna get a lot of crap from this one but...

Durarara

Expectations: A headless rider searches for her head while living with a doctor. The doctor's friends are a former bartender with super strength and a manipulative information broker and those two really hate each other. Most of them are a part of a online group with a mysterious leader. A war with various gangs is also nigh.

Reality: High school kid with almost bare bones personality and every attempt to make him look unique seems forced, his emo best friend who doesn't do a whole lot, and big breasted girl glasses with no memorable personality get involve in a gang war that doesn't happen. The villains that get defeated are stupid and incompetent. A lot of new characters are introduced but only a few of them become important later on. Old characters that seemed important starts getting little screen time. The doctor is a neeedy son of a bitch that doesn't get called out on it. Also, the aforementioned high school kids are the ones that get the most focus.

Don't get me wrong, Durarara ain't exactly a bad show, it just could have been so much more.

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post May 6 2015, 01:37 PM
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Tsukihime

Potential: Guy gets pulled into supernatural events after an accident left him injured and confused, prompting him to wonder what's real and what is in his head

Result: Scumbag hero attempts rape several times, rape victim apologizes. Several hours of agonizingly dull, wooden WORDSWORDSWORDS

Was Shiki that much more of a dick in the anime?

Anyway, I'm sure we all know Puella Magi Madoka Magica by now. Oh, how it was such a lighthearted anime on the surface! Oh, how it was claimed to have the BIGGEST TWIST EVER in episode 3, and therefore be the best realistic take on magical girls ever, and totally deserving of all the hype it gets! Oh, how it's supposedly the most romantic anime of all time because ~*~*~*~*YURI*~*~*~*~ is the only right kind of love in the anime world! Oh, how amazing it is!

This, of course, is all bullshit.

To take it from the top, it was just cliche at the beginning. Mysterious transfer student who's the best at everything? Check. Everyday normal girl protagonist? Check. Touch of self-awareness? Check. Running with toast in mouth to school? Check. Now, what anime could this be? Try, I dunno, at least fifty fucking percent.

Anyway, the episode 3 plot twist. It was different, I'll admit. Caught me off guard, to the extent I thought "well maybe I'll see how grimderp it gets from here." Not my best plan, considering all the time travel fuckery that makes Homestuck look simple. While I'm at it, it made Homestuck look passable, if I had to compare. Even though the only similarity is that the fans point and scream "LESBIAAAAAAAAAAAAANS" whenever two girls talk to each other. Maybe in real life, too. Either way, the one grace Madoka has is that the creator didn't bend over for the strap-on known as social justice, and made lesbians canon. Twice. Son of a fuck, Hussie.

Massive tangent aside, the fandom just makes me consider playing a game of Russian Roulette with a Desert Eagle. Basically, caring about someone makes you lesbians for them. Even if it's blatantly shown to be not even a little bit of yurishit. Gee fucking willikers, guess my sister is totally in lesbians with my mother! Let's get that camera rolling, and those two incesting! Hollywood, here I come!

This is getting way too fucking off the rails, so in short, fuck everything about Madoka. Not sure how Urobutcher went from that to Fate/Zero so quickly, honestly.


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post May 6 2015, 02:09 PM


Shakugan no Shana

Premise: A normal high-school student meets a mysterious girl who has powers (how original). In this case, the guy (named Yuji) finds out that there are monsters from another world called Crimson Denizens who devour people's souls, erasing all proof that they ever existed. The girl (named Shana) is a Flame Haze, a former human who made a contract with a Crimson Lord to gain power and protect the balance of the world by defeating Crimson Denizens. Yuji also finds out that his soul got devoured, and so he becomes allies with Shana to fight the Crimson Denizens.

What I expected: An action show with some dark overtones, possibly focusing a little on trying to save the lives of ordinary people, and Yuji coming to terms with the fact that he will cease to exist.

What I got: A boring story with some of the blandest characters I've ever seen. The potential for an interesting story was lost when it turned out that Yuji can keep regenerating his power of existence, so in turn, most of the conflict comes from Shana and another girl named Kazumi both wanting Yuji's dick, except none of them are any interesting or entertaining.

They also kept using some of the most bullshit reasons to keep extending the love triangle bullshit: at the end of season 1, Shana confesses to Yuji, but he doesn't hear her. At the end of season 2, Shana is about to confess to Yuji, but then he disappears because he joined the bad guys (which was never foreshadowed before).

As the frosting on the shit cake, they kept giving major plot points whenever Shana was undressing or bathing. Even if we count Margery and the hot springs/shower scenes where the other girls are molesting Kazumi, Shana is the character that has the most fanservice scenes. She also appears to have stopped aging when she was no older than 12. That's right, they used the bullshit ''but she's immortal so she's not underage and it's okay to show her naked'' excuse.

Conclusion: Had potential for being a really good show, but fell flat on its face because of a shitty story, boring characters, boring love triangle and lolicon fanservice.
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post May 6 2015, 02:53 PM
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Shakugan no Shana

Premise: A normal high-school student meets a mysterious girl who has powers (how original). In this case, the guy (named Yuji) finds out that there are monsters from another world called Crimson Denizens who devour people's souls, erasing all proof that they ever existed. The girl (named Shana) is a Flame Haze, a former human who made a contract with a Crimson Lord to gain power and protect the balance of the world by defeating Crimson Denizens. Yuji also finds out that his soul got devoured, and so he becomes allies with Shana to fight the Crimson Denizens.

What I expected: An action show with some dark overtones, possibly focusing a little on trying to save the lives of ordinary people, and Yuji coming to terms with the fact that he will cease to exist.

What I got: A boring story with some of the blandest characters I've ever seen. The potential for an interesting story was lost when it turned out that Yuji can keep regenerating his power of existence, so in turn, most of the conflict comes from Shana and another girl named Kazumi both wanting Yuji's dick, except none of them are any interesting or entertaining.

They also kept using some of the most bullshit reasons to keep extending the love triangle bullshit: at the end of season 1, Shana confesses to Yuji, but he doesn't hear her. At the end of season 2, Shana is about to confess to Yuji, but then he disappears because he joined the bad guys (which was never foreshadowed before).

As the frosting on the shit cake, they kept giving major plot points whenever Shana was undressing or bathing. Even if we count Margery and the hot springs/shower scenes where the other girls are molesting Kazumi, Shana is the character that has the most fanservice scenes. She also appears to have stopped aging when she was no older than 12. That's right, they used the bullshit ''but she's immortal so she's not underage and it's okay to show her naked'' excuse.

Conclusion: Had potential for being a really good show, but fell flat on its face because of a shitty story, boring characters, boring love triangle and lolicon fanservice.



Having suffered through all three seasons of this, the fail gets even worse by the time Season Three rolls around.

Short version: Yuji appears to turn evil and side with the very same antagonists that have been opposed for the past two seasons. Turns out he's not evil at all and is basically trying to make all sides happy in as bloodless a manner as possible, but this is never explained until way too fucking late (especially to the protagonists), so he appears to be an asshole for no good reason to the good guy side. Most of the bad guys really have no good reason being antagonists, what little actual conflict exists is purely down to massive amount of miscommunication and Yuji not outright coming clean with his true goals so both sides realize they don't need to cave each others faces in, and what genuine villains there are seem to exist only because the writers realized how hollow the Season Three plot actually was so they threw in assholes who like to be assholes for the sake of being assholes to try plugging the gaping plot holes (or rather, lack of actual meaningful plot), but only after a bunch of circle jerking between the other sides that goes fucking nowhere.

The ending is just as unsatisfying and pointless as hell.


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post May 6 2015, 03:40 PM
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Was Shiki that much more of a dick in the anime?

He tried to rape Arcueid in the VN at least once.

Though Tsukihime's greatest sin was completely wasting Nero. I guess Nasu thought he was boring and his time would be better spent writing five million words of King Arthur genderswap fanfiction.


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post May 6 2015, 03:45 PM
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He tried to rape Arcueid in the VN at least once.

Though Tsukihime's greatest sin was completely wasting Nero. I guess Nasu thought he was boring and his time would be better spent writing five million words of King Arthur genderswap fanfiction.


Don't forget Kiritsugu Emiya from Fate/Zero. I really like his character design and his methods of fighting, but his personality...

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post May 6 2015, 04:32 PM
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He tried to rape Arcueid in the VN at least once.

Though Tsukihime's greatest sin was completely wasting Nero. I guess Nasu thought he was boring and his time would be better spent writing five million words of King Arthur genderswap fanfiction.

Oh yeah. And Kohaku, twice. Maybe a few others. Shit, man. Tsukihime was fucked up. Nasu must've been on some mix of PCP, crystal method, and FOX News' idea of weed.

Still enjoyable for the mechanics, I suppose. Though Nrvnqsr Chaos(I know too much useless shit) was, indeed, wasted.

However, FSN was damn good, so you can get outta my face with that shit.

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Don't forget Kiritsugu Emiya from Fate/Zero. I really like his character design and his methods of fighting, but his personality...

Well I won't deny he is a dick. But in a franchise full of assholes, cunts, and overall terrible people, a dick is a welcome sight.


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