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 Arc Baltic
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 Mash that DP FP  Group: Banned Posts: 3,932 Joined: 19-September 05 From: Everywhere you want to be Member No.: 32 Gender: Male  |
 Nov 9 2009, 07:41 AM
So that Americans with Disabilties act has many many applications. One such application is suing a game company for its stupid practice. I am kinda interested in how this one plays out. If the dude wins it could mark a huge change in gaming. It could also result in millions of frivolous game lawsuits.
What you are deaf? The game didn't provide option for subtitles. Bam, lawsuit. What you don't speak English? Bam, lawsuit for a videagame being discriminatory. -------------------- "We compare. Humans are creatures of comparison. Constantly deciding whether things are good or bad, or better or worse than other things. Eventually we make so many comparisons that our overloaded brains will accept anything, good or bad, right or wrong, not caring which is which." -Brandon Heat
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Gamer-e
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Nov 9 2009, 08:11 AM
Well, that's a bunch of bullshit. It's in no way discriminative to expect the people playing your games to be people able to use the 3 senses most often associated with them and not even think about implementing certain options in game because of it. Yeah, it sucks that you can't actually play the game because you weren't actually ever thought of, but that doesn't mean that they're specifically not doing so because you're not able to play normally.
Whoever sent that letter from Sony, however, is a total bastard. I'm curious about just how you're supposed to make certain games more accessible to the blind, anyway. That definitely doesn't sound like the easiest of task. QUOTE (Arc @ Nov 9 2009, 09:41 AM) What you are deaf? The game didn't provide option for subtitles. Bam, lawsuit. What you don't speak English? Bam, lawsuit for a videagame being discriminatory.  Unless you're blind, don't subtitles take care of the language problem? This post has been edited by Gamer-e: Nov 9 2009, 08:12 AM --------------------  |
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 Max-Vader
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Nov 9 2009, 09:18 AM
People who are BLIND want to play videogames? That would be like an armless person wanting to drive a car, and then suing General Motors, because a car for amputees is impossible. You know, I think the next SEGA-game should have a label that says: "If you can read this, you're able to play videogames."
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NiGHTS Noob
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 Hackers got nothing on me Group: Members Posts: 3,129 Joined: 15-June 08 From: That depends, are you a cop? Member No.: 210 Gender: Male |
Nov 9 2009, 10:37 AM
What the fuck is up with this? Max is right, a blind person can't play games, a blindfolded person can play games if they have memorized the damn game, but they needed to see it first to do that. It's just not possible for someone who's blind to figure out what to do in a medium which is mostly visual.
The deaf thing Arc mentioned as a joke I can kind of understand. Older games had to use text because they couldn't hold reasonable speech recordings. Even after they did gain the capacity for speech in game, they still kept text just in case you couldn't hear it or understand it for some reason. It's only recently that they're starting to remove them from console games. Just why? Is it that much of a hassle to even just have a subtitle option? I prefer subtitles on anyways just because I'm so used to seeing them. I don't care if it makes it look less like a movie or whatever, I'm playing a fucking game. This post has been edited by NiGHTS Noob: Nov 9 2009, 10:38 AM -------------------- QUOTE (Some dude at Mangafox) Did I mention that one time I hacked into the CIA's central files using only an NES and a Power Glove? Yep, that was pretty cool. |
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Gamer-e
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Nov 9 2009, 11:58 AM QUOTE (NiGHTS Noob @ Nov 9 2009, 12:37 PM) What the fuck is up with this? Max is right, a blind person can't play games, a blindfolded person can play games if they have memorized the damn game, but they needed to see it first to do that. It's just not possible for someone who's blind to figure out what to do in a medium which is mostly visual. Wrong. Some games can be actually be played blindly without ever having seen it, through sounds and controller vibrations. Yes, it'll take a long time to get a hang of, especially with you being at an extreme disadvantage, but it is doable. Example: There was guy who was blind since birth kicking the shit out of others in Mortal Kombat. The guy's been playing games from a young age and apparently doesn't have much of a problem doing so anymore. This post has been edited by Gamer-e: Nov 9 2009, 12:02 PM -------------------- |
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The Two-One-Five
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 The Kung-Fu Hippie from Gansta City Group: Members Posts: 4,766 Joined: 25-June 08 From: My father's balls Member No.: 212 Gender: Male |
Nov 9 2009, 12:25 PM
This is what happens when he have PC Democrats in power who are using this to buy votes.
What's next, are the no-legged gonna sue Nike for not having shoes for their needs? Are mutes going to sue karaoke companies for not making products that allow them to kill legendary rock songs? Are the color blind gonna sue Twister because they cannot partake in the shenanigans? --------------------  |
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Nov 9 2009, 02:18 PM QUOTE (Max-Vader @ Nov 9 2009, 12:18 PM) That would be like an armless person wanting to drive a car, and then suing General Motors, because a car for amputees is impossible. Slightly off-topic, but don't they have cars for people without feet? QUOTE (Max-Vader @ Nov 9 2009, 12:18 PM) You know, I think the next SEGA-game should have a label that says: "If you can read this, you're able to play videogames." That was funny, though. I mean, seriously. I think this whole thing is stupid. I'm all for equal-rights and shit, but this is ridiculous... -------------------- Like the moon over
the day, my genius and brawn are lost on these fools. ~haiku Angel of music sings, I pull the strings like Gendo I control your every move, like buttons on Nintendo RAWR! |
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NiGHTS Noob
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Hackers got nothing on me Group: Members Posts: 3,129 Joined: 15-June 08 From: That depends, are you a cop? Member No.: 210 Gender: Male |
Nov 9 2009, 02:38 PM QUOTE (Gamer-e @ Nov 9 2009, 02:58 PM) Wrong. Some games can be actually be played blindly without ever having seen it, through sounds and controller vibrations. Yes, it'll take a long time to get a hang of, especially with you being at an extreme disadvantage, but it is doable. Example: There was guy who was blind since birth kicking the shit out of others in Mortal Kombat. The guy's been playing games from a young age and apparently doesn't have much of a problem doing so anymore. OK, point taken, but there is a large majority of games, most notably platformers, that would be impossible to play blindly without a major reworking of the game's signals and cues for a non-visual medium, and even then it's iffy if they could be playable. Also, I just want to say that if there's any one genre that I could see getting hurt out of this more than any others if the guy sues successfully (which probably won't happen, but still) I would have to think it would be the Survival Horror genre. That genre relies so closely on the combination of sight and sound, and the lack of one or the other at certain times, in order to get the most out of its goal. Try and imagine a Silent Hill game where you couldn't hear the static of the enemy radio, or any moaning, or anything. -------------------- QUOTE (Some dude at Mangafox) Did I mention that one time I hacked into the CIA's central files using only an NES and a Power Glove? Yep, that was pretty cool. |
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Badass Overlord
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Nov 9 2009, 02:51 PM
Ooh. Sony just got sued. Okay this is still pretty stupid. Big whoop. The guy only now sues? I mean, I'm sure blind people have thought of shit like this before, but this guy actually did it. What's the point in playing VIDEO games if you can't see? I demand Sony make audio games instantly!
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Viashino_wizard
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 That's a Jimmybean! Group: Members Posts: 7,127 Joined: 21-July 08 From: Teufort Member No.: 222 Gender: Male |
Nov 9 2009, 02:55 PM
You know I'm pretty sure the guy isn't actually blind. The article specifically says "visually impaired" and references bright color contrast.
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Badass Overlord
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First comes smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire. Group: Members Posts: 10,223 Joined: 10-September 08 From: Can'-Ka No Rey Member No.: 235 Gender: Male |
Nov 9 2009, 03:01 PM QUOTE (Viashino_wizard @ Nov 9 2009, 03:55 PM) You know I'm pretty sure the guy isn't actually blind. The article specifically says "visually impaired" and references bright color contrast. Eh details. The article says blind like three times. This post has been edited by Badass Overlord: Nov 9 2009, 03:01 PM -------------------- "The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed.” There is only one god, and his name is Death. And there is only one thing we say to Death. "Not today." - Syrio Forel I am He who howls in the night; I am He who moans in the snow; I am He who hath never seen light; I am He who mounts from below. My car is the car of Death; My wings are the wings of dread; My breath is the north wind’s breath; My prey are the cold and the dead. - Psychopompos |
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NiGHTS Noob
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Hackers got nothing on me Group: Members Posts: 3,129 Joined: 15-June 08 From: That depends, are you a cop? Member No.: 210 Gender: Male |
Nov 9 2009, 03:12 PM
Also, every MMO I've played has had some pretty damn obvious visual cues to help you figure out where you're supposed to go. Usually a fucking giant ass arrow, and big dot on the mini-map, and even bigger dot on the main map, and sometimes even a giant glowy pillar in the fucking sky.
I don't know exactly what he was playing had, but if it was anything along those lines, then he might as well have been blind to not be able to get the cues. -------------------- QUOTE (Some dude at Mangafox) Did I mention that one time I hacked into the CIA's central files using only an NES and a Power Glove? Yep, that was pretty cool. |
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Badass Overlord
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First comes smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire. Group: Members Posts: 10,223 Joined: 10-September 08 From: Can'-Ka No Rey Member No.: 235 Gender: Male |
Nov 9 2009, 03:35 PM QUOTE (NiGHTS Noob @ Nov 9 2009, 04:12 PM) Also, every MMO I've played has had some pretty damn obvious visual cues to help you figure out where you're supposed to go. Usually a fucking giant ass arrow, and big dot on the mini-map, and even bigger dot on the main map, and sometimes even a giant glowy pillar in the fucking sky. I don't know exactly what he was playing had, but if it was anything along those lines, then he might as well have been blind to not be able to get the cues. I've got a simple solution for this. Someone should should invent the MMO GPS. It has a wide array of voices to choose from, and it tells a blind person everything that's happening around them. Like: HOLY SHIT! 50 FIREBALLS ARE HEADED STRAIGHT TOWARDS YOU! I SUGGEST YOU START PANICKING!" And just so everyone knows you're a blind player, you'll always have a blind icon from Final Fantasy above your head.  Oh noes! -------------------- "The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed.” There is only one god, and his name is Death. And there is only one thing we say to Death. "Not today." - Syrio Forel I am He who howls in the night; I am He who moans in the snow; I am He who hath never seen light; I am He who mounts from below. My car is the car of Death; My wings are the wings of dread; My breath is the north wind’s breath; My prey are the cold and the dead. - Psychopompos |
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Valkyrie
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Nov 9 2009, 03:50 PM
Come to think of it, I feel bad to those who are blind. They can't enjoy many things in life like video games and other things.
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Al_Cone
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 Still Pretty Good, after eight years  Group: Moderators Posts: 7,940 Joined: 29-October 07 Member No.: 162 Gender: Male |
Nov 9 2009, 03:59 PM QUOTE This is what happens when he have PC Democrats in power who are using this to buy votes. Also, Democrats kept Rush Limbaugh from becoming part-owner of the Rams. -------------------- Normal Teenage Life: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 (COMPLETE) Mating Season: 1 2 3 4 Fallout: Equestria - A Mare Worth Fighting For Reality Check Soul of a Raven Anthology A Visit Hidden Flame Where Were You? The Distress of Haruhi Suzumiya The Attempt of Haruhi Suzumiya Tales from the Friendzone: Spikeljack |
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T_K_17
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Nov 9 2009, 04:02 PM
Which has what to do with this?
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Kuramastrassx3
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When I play the game, I get lost in a phase... Group: Members Posts: 3,087 Joined: 30-September 09 From: Booster Hill - on the way to Marrymore. Let's eat some cake! :D Member No.: 306 Gender: Female |
Nov 9 2009, 04:19 PM
Nothing, which is why he said it. It's meant to symbolize how this thread really adds nothing of importance to the forums.
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the day, my genius and brawn are lost on these fools. ~haiku Angel of music sings, I pull the strings like Gendo I control your every move, like buttons on Nintendo RAWR! |
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Arc Baltic
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Mash that DP FP Group: Banned Posts: 3,932 Joined: 19-September 05 From: Everywhere you want to be Member No.: 32 Gender: Male |
Nov 9 2009, 06:22 PM
Al Cone is just one of them non-working kids who follows the Democrats blindly. Apparently the left thinks its always good to throw out Rush Limbaugh to make themselves look less stupid. Its odd, no doubt, but they are special that way.
-------------------- "We compare. Humans are creatures of comparison. Constantly deciding whether things are good or bad, or better or worse than other things. Eventually we make so many comparisons that our overloaded brains will accept anything, good or bad, right or wrong, not caring which is which." -Brandon Heat
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Master of AFTER
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 Hit the world spinning darker.  Group: Admin Posts: 9,464 Joined: 24-July 05 From: Maim Street, U.S.A. Member No.: 1 Gender: Male |
Nov 10 2009, 08:19 PM
Great. Nintendo starts designing all of their games to be useable by mentally handicapped people and suddenly everyone expects all video game companies to pander to the disabled.
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The Two-One-Five
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The Kung-Fu Hippie from Gansta City Group: Members Posts: 4,766 Joined: 25-June 08 From: My father's balls Member No.: 212 Gender: Male |
Nov 10 2009, 08:23 PM QUOTE (Master of AFTER @ Nov 10 2009, 09:19 PM) Great. Nintendo starts designing all of their games to be useable by mentally handicapped people and suddenly everyone expects all video game companies to pander to the disabled. Hey! Fuck you, buddy, I play Nintendo! -------------------- |
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